Sunday, April 23, 2006



White guys do not fantasize about black women, and they definitely do not fantasize about African women: Thanks to the reader who mentioned this Sudanese supermodel, Alek Wek, as an example of a real black woman. Now I'm a red-blooded American guy like the rest of you, but I must be honest--she's not giving me tingles. Maybe some hair or a body shot might help, but I find myself most attracted to women closer to home. White women with a twist of the exotic are most attractive, but Alek is too exotic.

48 comments:

Unlisted said...

I'd like to know how many BLACK (American) men fantasize about women like this. I know lots of black men, and I don't know one that would think she is attractive

Check Mate

Ron Guhname said...

Yes, it seems clear that black men are most attracted to the same "black" women that white men like--the Halle Berry types.

Tino_G said...

Question from a non-american: Do black men generally prefer (the average) white woman or (the average) white-looking black woman?

That is to say Halle Berry *types* (20-50% white), but not Halle Berry quality, that is out of the reach of most men.

Black men and race-intrested americans please help my curiousity.

Unlisted said...

The reaction I got from one Black American upon seeing a picture of Alek after being asked is she good looking: "Are you joking?"

Tino:

I am very interested in this topic (and race in general) and have read about this and talked very frankly to black men about it.

On your first question, Historically they prefer the fair skinned mulatto types and pretty much still do. They have just started to raise their standards though. Even if she was fat and unattractive in the past she was still the next best thing to marrying a white woman. That is why in the past it was known that they would marry socially rejected (unattractive) white women and this was considered to be better than marrying a black or even a mulatta.

The mulattas (Mariah Carey, Halle Berry, Alica Keyes etc) and mulatta types (Vanessa Williams, Beyonce) dominate their lists of beautiful women in their magazines.

Nowadays though I see black men with amazing looking white women and Latinas. Very often. Not just the social rejects. I think anyone paying attention has noticed this as well. So much so that the black women are being left by them in larger and larger numbers. [See Steve Sailer's article on this]

This is because the black women are considered to be least attractive of ALL women. EVEN BY BLACK MEN.

Anecdotally, I'd say that this is their preference in general:

Rank:
1. White
2. Latina
3. Asian
4. Some mix of above three
5. Mulatta (Mariah Carey, Alicia Keyes)
6. Mulatta-type (Beyonce)
7. Standard American black woman (Toni Braxton)
8. Pure African woman

The icing on the cake: (Drum roll please)

The Winner of BlackMen's Magazine Model search was Dnika Romero...A WHITE woman (Google her name plus Black men's magazine)

Unlisted said...

CLARIFICATION:
I wrote:
//On your first question, Historically they prefer the fair skinned mulatto types and pretty much still do//

By this I mean attainability. They move up the list I posted as far as they can. A Mulatta or "Mulatto-type" is about as far as most can move up the list.

Intellectual Pariah said...

So why is she a supermodel? Does she appeal to gay fashion designers, who like her exotic looks but don't respond to her sexually?

damie_d said...

Blacks have the lowest interracial dating/marriage rate. So most blacks hookup with each other.

Tino_G said...

Fine, but that is not what I asked, I asked about who they like.

You also have to consider:

1. White men don't like black women, and vice versa.

2. Black men don't marry in generall.

3. White women, perhaps, prefer sexual affairs with black men than marrying them, considering the differances in income, SES, IQ etc.

damie_d said...

I have read Black men magazines like King, Black Men Mag, and Smooth.

Most of the models posing are usually lite-brown to mid-brown complected black chicks, or latinas of all races, and mixed race gals. No Alek Wek types.

In their polls for the hottest women, usually Beyonce or Halle wins.

On Dnika Romero's My Space page, she identifies as latina, still may be a white latino.

damie_d said...

Tino_G

As far as black men's preferences in women, what you say is plausible.

Definitely a portion of black men do prefer white women, since that's the largest type of interracial marriages involving black men.

I've never seen research on this, so I don't know what most black men prefer.

Since most black men are still involved with black women on average. I would say they aren't any different from Whites who usually prefer their own kind.

If anyone has any research or studies on this, I'd like to see them too.

Unlisted said...

Damie:

I think that more black men would marry white, Latina, Asian, or some mix of those three if they COULD. That not being the case, they settle for an American black woman.

That is the only reason in my opinion that the numbers of black MEN who marry/date outside are not higher than they are now. That plus the political/social stigma from black women

Steve Sailer said...

Alek Wek was onscreen for a few minutes in the movie "Four Feathers" and she blew away Kate Hudson who was the nominal leading lady.

Leonard said...

I don't think using models as exemplars of "what normal people like" is fair. Models appeal very narrowly, to fashion industry types. Which tends to mean older homosexual white men, and older heterosexual white women. But it certainly means whites, not blacks. Blacks of course have their own fashion thing going on, but I doubt that Wek came up in that milieu.

Very popular models do appeal beyond the fashion industry, but I'd suggest for the best exemplars you ought to use movie stars. These are the men and women who most appeal to the broad general public. So to find out what blacks like, check out black-focused movies and black magazines' "style" sections. A cursory look on the web shows that blacks really like light-skinned black women.

Anonymous said...

Why do old white mens are with young black women ?

Anonymous said...

Alek Wek is more pretty than a lot of white women

Michael said...

I think she is beautiful! ~ and I am absolutely biased toward black/brown women as oppose to white women, I being white myself!

Even as a young teenager i have dated out side my race, the list as follows, palestinian, maori, aboriginal, jamaican, samaona, tongan. I am now 35 and have been married to a tongan/samoan women for 8 years, have 3 children.

Anonymous said...

I am sorry, but some of you people are absolute idiots and don't know the first thing about Black men. Whoever said that most Black men would prefer White, Asian, Latina (which, by the way, INCLUDES Whites AND BLACKS), and Mulattos over all Black women needs to educate themselves. I am a Black Latina woman (of Cuban descent). I speak Spanish fluently, but look like a Black American woman. I've ALWAYS had men of ALL races approach me and tell me how beautiful I am. And Black men FLOCK to me! And it's not because White women are "out of their reach." I've had Black men who are MARRIED to white women who still try to talk to me. White women are no prizes, so please do not put them on a pedestal. As many white women, Asian women, and Latina women PREFER Black men over their own kind... NONE of them are "out of Black men's reach." When Black men date Black women, it is not because they are "settling"! Ignorance is murder, people! The media would love to have you believe that all Black men would PREFER any race but their own!! And that they're just "settling" if they're with a Black woman. Couldn't be further from the truth! There are still MANY Black men who don't even date outside of their race, and they actually (gasp!) PREFER it that way! They are NOT "settling"! Educate yourselves!!

White women more typically throw themselves at Black men. Yet and even still, most Black men choose to date BLACK women!! Most Black men (even the ugly ones) could have a White woman any day of the week if they chose to, but they still prefer BLACK women! The media is fooling you... Google THIS-- because the MAJORITY of Black men STILL ONLY date and marry BLACK women. The media just takes the interracial couples and BLOWS them up in the limelight, while same-race couples fade in the background. And, like I said, it's not because they can't GET women of other races. Most women of EVERY other race LOVES Black men! I've seen soooo many ugly Black men with attractive white women!! It doesn't even MATTER what the Black man looks like! White women LOVE them! So whoever posted that was just ignorant.

And Black women are no longer at the bottom of the totem pole, sweetie. While it IS true that many Black men prefer light or brown skinned Black women over dark skinned Black women, the fact still remains that they prefer BLACK. In general, Black men like curves (which Black and Latina women have), and, typically, white women just don't fit the bill. There are VERY FEW Black men who would PREFER a White woman over a Black woman. You'd be hard pressed to find that. Sure, there are Black men who may find some white women attractive and may even date them, but guess what? They most likely PREFER a Black woman.

Many black men who occasionally date White women or other races are just experimenting or trying something new for the time being. As horrible as this sounds, there are men out there who have "quotas" to date/sleep with women of ALL races in their lifetime. But when it comes time to settle down, the fact of the matter is that Black men want BLACK women.

I've talked to Black men who PREFER Black women, but who SETTLE for WHITE women. You probably never thought you'd hear it the other way around. But it's true. They are usually the unattractive black men who cannot GET a Black woman... but, as I mentioned earlier, White women still flock to them. So they take what they can get!

Black is Black. Whether it's light skinned, brown skinned, red, or dark. I don't get why you would separate Black women into categories or a hierarchy, as if the color of their skin makes them any different than the next Black woman. I didn't see you separating Latinas and Asians into dark skinned versus light skinned. For the record, we Latinas come in different shades too. This shows your ignorance. The media may only show you the "Hispanic looking" Latinas, like Jennifer Lopez and Eva Longoria... but the fact of the matter is that we range from lily WHITE to charcoal BLACK.. just like Black people do! I consider myself a Black woman... I am just a BLACK Latina. SO, for you to just list "Latinas" as number 2 on the list of races that Black men would prefer to date over their own, is just plain ignorance. As if we all look the same! Americans are so uneducated and culturally ignorant. As many cultures as we have in this country, you would think you all could take the time to learn a little something!

Anonymous said...

i believe this is the most racist commentary i have read in a long time. That goes for you all. The first mistake you all are making is the idea of generalizations. You can't say "black" men like this or "white" like that. As long as there is an exception to your statement, your statement is worthless. Alek is not what has been typically considered beautiful but does that make her any less beautiful? I don't think so. She is gorgeous and has features that are rare and should be appreciated instead of criticized. As the saying goes there is someone for everyone, and even if you believe the "10" is Halle Berry - there is some man out there white or black (or any other ethnicity for that matter) who is not remotely attracted to her. Alec has the qualities that a lot of women would be glad to posess: even complexion, brilliant smile, high cheekbones, a personality that shines through her eyes onto a lens and then on the cover of whatever pages she chooses to grace for the benefit of everyone who is enlightened enough to recognize what true beauty is.

Pauline C. from Elmont said...

i believe this is the most racist commentary i have read in a long time. That goes for you all. The first mistake you all are making is the idea of generalizations. You can't say "black" men like this or "white" like that. As long as there is an exception to your statement, your statement is worthless. Alek is not what has been typically considered beautiful but does that make her any less beautiful? I don't think so. She is gorgeous and has features that are rare and should be appreciated instead of criticized. As the saying goes there is someone for everyone, and even if you believe the "10" is Halle Berry - there is some man out there white or black (or any other ethnicity for that matter) who is not remotely attracted to her. Alec has the qualities that a lot of women would be glad to posess: even complexion, brilliant smile, high cheekbones, a personality that shines through her eyes onto a lens and then on the cover of whatever pages she chooses to grace for the benefit of everyone who is enlightened enough to recognize what true beauty is.

Anonymous said...

I am an African who comes from around the same area Alek comes from. I'm sorry as well, but most comments here show just how narrow minded some of you guys are! I strongly believe most African Americans still suffer from mental slavery as they long to re-discover who they really are. Emuncipate yourselves and stop looking down on others who happen to be a shed darker than you are.

Alek has short hair, very dark, tall and slim... not exactly you average fantasy girl. But who cares what dumb Americans think. Have you seen Oprah Winfrey without her makeup? Don't you fools think Alek could bleach her skin if she wasn't any smarter? Why don't you read, travel, discover the world... maybe you can add some new words to you vocabulary...

I am Yoruba said...

Ron, Alek Wek is a beautiful woman but she is not considered beautiful to many self-loathing ignorant Black men and women because she is not concurrent with the Western Beauty standard that has been shoved down our throats. It is VERY SIMPLE. And why would you consider Alek Wek to be the only example of a REAL Black woman. I notice you didnt post photos of dark-skinned beauties Naomi Cambell or Gabrielle Union. They are also REAL BLACK WOMEN. Africa is BIG CONTINENT, and I myself am Nigerian. Trust me, Alek's people are confined to Sudan and surrounding countries. THERE ARE MANY OTHER TYPES OF BEAUTY IN AFRICA, and I am not talking about the African Arabs of some parts of West Africa, and Eastern Africa. If you have never been to Africa then my educated guess is that you don't know what diversity exists there. If you are not attracted to Black women or African women then who the hell cares. Why do you care so much to post a dumb blog about it?? Why dont you post something about the war in Iraq or Korea's nuclear bombs?

And I disagree with your OP. There is a lot of interracial pornography that features White men screwing very dark skinned Blac women. It is considered illicit, taboo sex. Lighter skinned women like Halle Berry are considered safe and more acceptable.

You have a right to your opinions, but you are not the appointed spokesman for all White men or women. Don't be so bold as to assume that your views are those of every white man in the world. If White men didnt ever have sex with Black women, where the hell did all the mulatto's come from during slavery. Black men would have been hanged for screwing white women so who was doing all of the screwing?

Black and Proud said...

Some of you people have it twisted - White women literally THROW themselves at young, unaware black men and win them over! Black men don't usually go after white women, but will take them because "they are easier", "they will do whatever I tell them to do". It starts as early as high school with the black atheletes. White parents (who would normally discourage the relationship) encourage it (gold diggers). Others because ... well we all know that Black Men have it going on in the bedroom as opposed to white men who can't perform as well. White women love Black penis, just like Black women - Black men accept white women because they can control them like puppets - look at Ice-T and whatever that is on his arm....

hmmmm said...

as Chris Rock once said, "white men love white women... black men REALLY love white women."

Devious said...

I think most of you who post comments in here are morons to say the least. And the worst thing is morons hiding under the banner of being white?

Consider such bollocks below:

Fine, but that is not what I asked, I asked about who they like.

You also have to consider:

1. White men don't like black women, and vice versa.

2. Black men don't marry in generall.

3. White women, perhaps, prefer sexual affairs with black men than marrying them, considering the differances in income, SES, IQ etc


Which humping IQ are you talking of? Subject to whose standards? Please enlighten yourself before you post such rubbish in here. IQ mapping methods have been subject to alot of trashing over the past years just because they happen not to be objective at all. Oh... and the disparity in income arises from unfair working environments. An Ivy League educated black will in most cases be passed over some idiotic white trash just because of skin colour...so when the environment is not a level playing field, where do you expect the blacks to get well paying jobs from?

And dating is not synnonymous with sex...Men have been known to stray irregardless of the race. Factual evidence proves that most men would want a piece of what they dont have...so sex is just sex.

Love is another different issue. People elope, for example, when they are tied down by archaic, regressive and oppressive societal rules like the ones we espouse in here - racism and such like bigotry.

And yes...am black. I would love to meet you all in the afterlife and see where you stand.

Devious said...

At 2:58 PM, Anonymous said...
I am an African who comes from around the same area Alek comes from. I'm sorry as well, but most comments here show just how narrow minded some of you guys are! I strongly believe most African Americans still suffer from mental slavery as they long to re-discover who they really are. Emuncipate yourselves and stop looking down on others who happen to be a shed darker than you are.

Alek has short hair, very dark, tall and slim... not exactly you average fantasy girl. But who cares what dumb Americans think. Have you seen Oprah Winfrey without her makeup? Don't you fools think Alek could bleach her skin if she wasn't any smarter? Why don't you read, travel, discover the world... maybe you can add some new words to you vocabulary...

ALL I CAN SAY IS...BULLS EYE!!

pure african men said...

I have never come across such narrow minded people in my entire life. White people who are generaly failers in life chose to make themselves feel better by disrespecting other pple. Black men prefer black not many if any black man prefer flat bums and hipless bodies like Victoria Beckham so do not kid yourselves. Please do proper research if you can not go back to shcool and find out how. I am positive all these racist comments come from the ugliest lot of white pple.

Anonymous said...

White people are such a satanic race. All evil in the world its because of them. When the devil looks at them he must feel proud.

Anonymous said...

I am an african man who was educated in the USA and can confirm that black American men prefer white women or wmen with white like features(mulattos, red bones. Having said that, I do not agree that Alex Wek is good looking or attractive or even exotic. Lets be honest here, she is the white man again telling us what black beauty is suppose to be. I seen white people on these television shows talking about how exotic and beautiful she is with high cheek bones and fine skin. In Africa we have beautiful women ranging from dark skin to near white. Any man, be it white, chinese, indian or black will find these women beaufiful. Wek pales in comparison to them. Just look at her body, what do you see? Now nothing against the girl, if white people want to use her as a symbol of beauty, more power for her!!! Just do say that she is beautiful and if black men don't find her attractive then they are sellouts. If you want to see dark beautiful women, come to Africa.

Anonymous said...

I am a African-American woman, with creole heritage, of 28. I find the above topic very interesting. I myself, am milk chocolate complexion. I am tall, almost 5"10 & slim figured.I modeled for a few years,( Privilege Model & Talent Agency on Sunset Blvd.) When growing up, I would have plenty of black men tell me, I was beautiful... but too thin. In the majority of black communities, if a black woman wasn't built like Beyonce or Trina.
She was rejected. I had boyfriends tell me, I didn't have enough butt or hips.

Well, for the majority of high school years I attended schools with different races. And guess what? I attracted, Persians,Asians,Germans, French, Dutch,Indians, plenty of Jewish men.. the list goes on and on. I would go out to a club & every guy that approached me was never Black. Also, I noticed I also attracted White women. They would approach me and say, " Your gorgeous, do you model", etc. I found myself having a lot of different raced girlfriends.

I have meet other Black women, who are gorgeous, but since they fit the more Naomi Campbell bill... they attract white or other raced men. I am now married to a German Physician. My husband has dated other races before me. However, his preference is Black women.
But, he's not attracted to the Beyonce or Trina's type.. because in his opinion... they look chunky or fat. He informed me most successful White men who date Black woman.. want a Black woman who is beautiful , but has a universal beauty like Naomi Campbell. Because, she is not a BLACK model... She is a gorgeous supermodel that men of ALL races given the chance would date. That
is the type of beauty all women would love to have.

With all that said, All our friends are in relationships or married to different races. I could care less if All the Black men in America date White men. Hey! More power to them. That just leaves, more successful, caring & responsible white or other race men out there for Black women :-)

Remember, who cares about color,
The person you choose should emotionally & physically stimulate YOU. Screw everyone else!

I'm pregnant now.. and I can't wait to raise my bi-racial child into a responsible adult. I'm sure Dr. Martin Luther King would be proud. Black & White people hand in hand :-)

Anonymous said...

I'am reading everyones comment about whether black men prefer white women over black woman alot of people won't like what i have to say but tht true of the matter black men do prefer white women i witness them saying in record numbers out of the own mouths especially in the southern part of the us it is very common to see blk men with white women but known something it does'nt really matter anymore because god himself will do away with racism once and for all

Anonymous said...

Black Women - African American Women are the most beautiful women on this earth they have the most Exotic Skin Tones and Exotic Features than any other race in the world.

Black women have thousands of skin tones also God Blessed black women with the full package.

Huge Butts,Curves,Full Lips,Exotic Skin Tones,and most of the black women a huge breast and black women have different hair texture just beautiful.

No other women on this earth have the full package but a black women other races have to buy there body parts(What A Shame)




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Jessica_A said...

Ignorance runs rampant-the title, if the conversations of this blog were an article.

-Some of you are just stupid (and a little prejudice). As if any of you or the couple of black/white/latino/asian people you know could ever speak for all the people in another or your own ethnicity! You've taken your observations about a few regular/celebrity couples and you've fashioned yourself a good 'ol broad generalization about whole ethnic groups and their supposed female preferences. This makes you prejudiced and discriminatory, but mostly stupid as you never take into account that personality and individual identity is most important in a relationship and that if the "prefered" is lacking personality and compatibility then it doesn't matter. Is this where we've come after MLK's I Have A Dream speech? Still judging by the content of skin color and not by character? And who the hell are you to make a list of the most desirable women to millions of people you don't even know?

-Some of you mean well, you do coming to the aid of the black man's so called fetish for anything but black, but you too approach the wrong way. A counterattack is NOT saying that white women throw themselves desperately at reluctant black men, because no one knows why anyone does anything except for the few people you may know personally. Though you're arguing the converse, it comes off just as ignorant.

-Splitting the already deep divides that lie between women and the subdivides between women of different shades within the same ethnicity. It hurts all people. Millions of dollars are spent on feminine self help books and cosmetic surgery because men keep insulting one kind of women to make their "prefered" kind seem better. It's childish and unnecessary. Love what you love or lust after what you yearn, if you're keeping your eye on your prize no other kind of woman matters.

-You have no reason to insult anyone's appearance or deem out who is beautiful overall. Alek may not be beautiful to you, but she is beautiful to someone, which still makes her beautiful and that goes for all women.

-If you're judging by what guys you've seen banging what chicks, you're done. A guy thats a horndog will blast through any chick he can get and that has nothing to do with ethnicity. Besides, if it all comes down to body parts, well nowadays anyone can have a big butt, flat stomach or whatever else some guy fancies if she has enough money or exercises or whatever. Asians have boobs, white girls have ass, black girls can have straight hair and latina's be bean poles and all of these can occur naturally so ethnicity ain't nothing if you're looking for specific body parts.

-BTW don't use race, it's so insulting and politically incorrect, it's not even funny. In case you didn't know, race is an the anthropologic term equivalent of the word species, so calling someone a different race is calling them someone of a different species; insulting because a black man and white woman or asian man and latina woman can produce a human fertile child. Breeding between "races" would result in a sterile child. And that's what it means to belong to the human race!

So if we can focus on what we find attractive and why and not on what vast categories of people feel on the same but yet an intimate subject, well we would spend a lot less time blogging and a lot more time loving. (And when they ask you who you got this from, you can tell them that it was from Jessica A. and 18 y/o black female fresh outta highschool, peace)

Anonymous said...

I would like to comment about some the absurdity of the now 21st century. I cannot even believe that there are people bowing to their masters… the whites. The black or light skinned people who see a beautiful dark skinned woman below them should then call every white their masters. I myself I am a beautiful black woman that almost everywhere I go white men only of a higher class bow to me. I do not brag about my skin, but I embrace every woman of all color. I live in Canada and once I visited a white friend Canadian Professor that teaches in the USA. I went out and he said that he was so proud of me because I was the real black beauty. Out in the social gathering I was asked question by his friends that what makes me feel so comfortable I said I am who I am like it or not. The black and white men of USA where intrigue and wanted to date me. I do not think that African American like only white women. I know for fact that an African American told me once that he prefers to marry an African girl because they are the real women. So any of you who are illusive should travel, educate yourself before belittling others because of their race. For some black man Alek might not be attractive but for some a lighter skin woman might not be as well. So stop watching what the media is portraying out there do not forget where you came from. I remember that I once watched an African American Slavery movie and it shows that the woman that got pregnant by the white man did not conceive voluntary so think people you ranked whose skin is better and who is like more in your society.

Tracey said...

Unless you've known black people and our experience, you will never understand the ills that still exist between blacks and whites. It's what's making so many generalize all throughout the posts here. SMDH....that's an effin' shame...educate yourselves outside of King and other mags...are you kidding me?

Anonymous said...

In case you didn't know africa is the most genetically diverse group on the planet, they range from the brigthest to the deepest shade of brown and everything in between. please stop your ignorance, here is a full blooded african woman right here:http://www.fashionafrica.com/wp-content/gallery/agbani-darego/In%20Essence%20Magazine.JPG

Anonymous said...

http://www.fashionafrica.com/wp-content/gallery/agbani-darego/In%20Essence%20Magazine.JPG

Anonymous said...

I've read most of the responces and few touched upon the one muse I have...Which is why do a large majority of Black Men who are prosperous/powerful usually married to White women or other ethnic groups? This is the lament I hear from women of color. Their distain and dismay is not something to dismiss as hallucinatory. I've not experienced any negative situations in my life, however I've seen this phenomenon several time's over. In my family there is quite a mixture...My Father is from Spain (his family is very fair , blonde or red heads with either green or blue eyes).My Mum's a mixture..She is half East Indian and half Cuban , so she is very exotic and dusky hue. Of the 15 children she bore I am the only one with dark skin (my eyes are fair). In the U.S. people assume my siblings are caucasion however I'm considerd Black which is amusing. Black men look at me all the time however approach me only when I speak (Ive an accent). My American friends however ( 2 are tall,blonde,pretty) are approached constantly by Black Men.The other 2 are tall pretty west african women who are overlooked until they speak as well. We are generally approached by European , Latin or White Men. Ive asked a few of the Black Men about this preference/behavior and their responces were vague, as if it was too dreadful to peer into their own psyche and rationalize this phenom .

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