Friday, December 11, 2009

Evidence that Jewish Americans are consistent
















I found evidence that Jewish Americans as a group are not hypocritical over issues of ethnocentrism. The table above reproduces the ethnocentrism scores I calculated in the earlier post. Groups with above-average scores I labeled "ethnocentrics". Groups with scores below the mean are called "individualists."

Next, I found this question:  "Some people say that it is better for America if different racial and ethnic groups maintain their distinct cultures. Others say that it is better if groups change so that they blend into the larger society as in the idea of a melting pot. Here is a card with a scale from 1 to 7. Think of a score of 1 as meaning that racial and ethnic groups should maintain their distinct cultures, and a score fo 7 as meaning that groups should change so that they blend into the larger society. What score between 1 and 7 comes closest to the way you feel?"

The means are shown in the right column. Those above the mean are categorized as "multiculturalists," while those below are labeled "assimilationists."  All the groups, including Jews, are consistent. What Jews tend to favor is a society where ethnic traditions are maintained. They are ethnocentric multiculturalists.

So where does that leave so many Americans whose families have been here for many generations, with ancestors from several different countries, who belong to no particular ethnic group? You can see that most white Americans are individualist assimilationists, but that attitude seems so 1950s.

If the country follows the route favored by many Jews and other minority groups, the natural path for these other folks is to organize as white Americans NOA--not otherwise allied. These people have no culture, history or heritage other than a white American one. The country does seem to be headed in a multicultual direction, especially when you consider massive Hispanic immigration mixed with a multiculturalist elite, but I don't think an America with tens of millions of tribalist white people is quite what multiculturalists have in mind.


UPDATE: Oops--I missed that Americans of Polish and French descent are individualist multiculturalists.

29 comments:

Blode0322 said...
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The Undiscovered Jew said...

They are ethnocentric

May I ask how you know Jews are hyperethnocentric?

You are basing your conclusion on one GSS variable.

But another GSS variable shows Jews are as likely to give to charity as whites, which goes against the idea that we are ethnocentric because hyperethnocentric people should give less to charity than whites.

Where is the psychological data for Jews being hyperethnocentric?

How do we score on proxies for ethnocentrism on psychological tests?

Psychological tests are more important than GSS variables because whites in general will be more reluctant to admit to agreeing with a white ethnocentric position in a GSS questions.

The GSS probably understates white ethnocentrism, and thus Jewish ethnocentrism is overstated, because whites will be more reluctant to overtly admit to preferring whites.

Until I see psychological data then I'm going to assume the charge of Jews being hyperethnocentric is bullshit because nobody h- including MacDonald - as produced peer reviewed evidence.

The Undiscovered Jew said...

Btw, the most liberal Jews (Reform Judaism sample size 27) feel LESS close to their ethnic group than whites are with the conservative Orthodox being the most favorable towards their own ethnic group.

So higher levels of ethnocentrism among Jews NEGATIVELY associates with liberalism/Reform Judaism just as secularism positively associates with Jewish liberalism. The Orthodox are making mainstream Jews seem more ethnocentric than they actually are.

Try doing GSS searches with Orthodox Jews excluded to test with ethnocentrism (GSS Variable Jew(2-4) ) and break the results down by religious group (Reform Judaism has the largest sample sizes of the four sects):

ETHCLOSE HOW CLOSE FEEL TO YOUR ETHNIC OR RACIAL GROUP?

1
VERY CLOSE

ORTHODOX

1: VERY CLOSE 85.0

2: CLOSE 15.0

CONSERVATIVE

1: VERY CLOSE 75.2

2: CLOSE 24.8

REFORM

1: VERY CLOSE 30.0

2: CLOSE 47.8

3: NOT VERY CLOSE 18.7

NONE OF THESE

1: VERY CLOSE 32.5

2: CLOSE 28.2

3: NOT VERY CLOSE 18.7

ROW
TOTAL

1: VERY CLOSE 47.4

2: CLOSE 35.0

RACE
1
WHITE

1: VERY CLOSE 36.5

2: CLOSE 38.9

3: NOT VERY CLOSE 19.2

4: NOT CLOSE AT ALL 5.4

The Undiscovered Jew said...

The small number of Jews who have gone from being influential assimilationist leftists to being influential ethnocentrists

Where is the proof Jews are ethnocentric? I'm going to keep harping on this because I'm not going to let you get away with making assertions that have no scientific support.

If the worst the Jews are giving American civilization is a double standard,

The politicians who keep passing laws in favor of multiculturalism are overwhelimingly white gentiles so it seems to me non-Jewish whites are doing this to themselves.

The Undiscovered Jew said...

Reform Jews score lower on feeling closer to their ethnic group than Italian Americans:

ETHCLOSE HOW CLOSE FEEL TO YOUR ETHNIC OR RACIAL GROUP?

ETHNIC
15
ITALY

1: VERY CLOSE 41.9

2: CLOSE 41.8

3: NOT VERY CLOSE 15.2

4: NOT CLOSE AT ALL 1.1


JEW 3 REFORM

1: VERY CLOSE 30.0

2: CLOSE 47.8

3: NOT VERY CLOSE 18.7

4: NOT CLOSE AT ALL 3.4

Anonymous said...

Im beginning to see Jews as "self-hating-whites", and swpls as "self-hating whites" also. Both are a product of the culture of critique. Its the only viably politically-correct option for them to maintian social viability and get to blame -someone- for all of societies' ills. So they begin to socially attack lesser members of their own.

Anonymous said...

Im beginning to see Jews as "self-hating-whites", and swpls as "self-hating whites" also.

Jews are more like especially virulent hybrids.

Kind of like Africanized killer bees.

This kind of thing is actually quite common in nature - hybridization often produces extreme virulence.

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