tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post6632611893861134377..comments2024-03-28T12:16:12.797-07:00Comments on Inductivist: Ron Guhnamehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06421460508647618774noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-52374851644741434842009-05-22T23:27:40.475-07:002009-05-22T23:27:40.475-07:00We should add that the law currently recognizes th...We should add that the law currently recognizes that there is a difference between mothering and fathering when they favor giving child custody to mothers rather than fathers at the point of divorce. <br /><br />Advocates of same sex marriage and gay adoption could be taken more seriously if they also advocated for the repeal of the built in bias against paternal custody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-13429302795662770292009-05-21T15:24:37.586-07:002009-05-21T15:24:37.586-07:00Single motherhood is considered a good thing, part...Single motherhood is considered a good thing, particularly among the female media.<br /><br />When Ann Coulter went on the View, the harpies there tore her up ... over single motherhood. Both the View and Oprah get applause and massive response from their audience in defending single motherhood, no different than the reaction to Dan Quayle (who was quite right).<br /><br />The real elephant in the room is single motherhood. Women want that as a choice, because well for many women it's advantageous. It allows combining sex and dating, and keeping on the dating circuit as long as possible to maximize pleasure, with motherhood on a woman's terms. You tend to see this (Welfare states, tropical Africa) wherever resources abound that allow it (Steve Sailer's observation). <br /><br />Gay Marriage is merely more validation of single motherhood, away from the Nuclear Family. Look at the reaction that Coulter got out of her latest book. The attacks on her were all about Single Motherhood. Defending it as an institution.Whiskeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01854764809682029464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-82886874530957825732009-05-21T13:05:29.009-07:002009-05-21T13:05:29.009-07:00"Now that gay marriage exists and is (relatively) ..."Now that gay marriage exists and is (relatively) common, the implied alternative is different, so more people are likely to say that "a mother and a father" isn't that important, because the alternative that they're imagining is still two parents."<br /><br />Two points. First, in 2004 when the question was first asked in MA, the state was buzzing over the gay marriage issue. The MA Supreme Court had ruled in favor of it in fall 2003. Conservatives were pushing for a state constitutional amendment against it in 2004, and Romney starting issuing licenses. In the midst of all that drama, the state residents who answered that poll question were thinking of gay marriage. <br /><br />Second, as gay marriage becomes widely accepted, people will feel the need to stop believing that a child benefits from by being raised by a mom or a dad. For there to be no disadvantage with a child being raised by two moms, being raised by a dad cannot be considered important. For there to be no disadvantage with a child being raised by two dads, being raised by a mother cannot be considered important. <br /><br />Even gay families worry about their child lacking a parent of one sex (e.g., lesbians wanting to find a father figure for the boy). In terms of gender socialization, being raised in a homosexual home is the same as being raised in a single-parent home. There's all sort of research documenting the problems that stem from growing up without a mother or a father; problems that are not simply the result of not having two adults present. Kids still fare poorly if they are raised by mom and grandma--two adults.Ron Guhnamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421460508647618774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-84160342032804939692009-05-21T05:59:08.082-07:002009-05-21T05:59:08.082-07:00I can't read too much into this. This much variati...I can't read too much into this. This much variation from year to year on a poll question isn't surprising.<br /><br />I also can't see any obvious connection to the gay marriage issue.Tom Bridgelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13098048586042365606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-51422227989359063932009-05-20T15:35:00.949-07:002009-05-20T15:35:00.949-07:00Is she stupid or disingenuous?
Obviously, people ...Is she stupid or disingenuous?<br /><br />Obviously, people think that two parents are better than one. It used to be that if you asked "is it best to have a mother and a father" the implied alternative was to have "a single parent," so obviously people said yes.<br /><br />Now that gay marriage exists and is (relatively) common, the implied alternative is different, so more people are likely to say that "a mother and a father" isn't that important, <B>because the alternative that they're imagining is still two parents.</B>This is a frequent dishonest technique by the religious right. They constantly pretend that data which shows that two parents are better than one shows that two straight parents are better than two gay parents. Maybe there is evidence of that out there, but most of the studies they cite didn't even look at that issue!<br /><br />Maggie Gallagher, moreover is a moron. Here's a quote for you:<br /><br />"Same-sex marriage is quite different from bans on interracial marriage in one powerful respect: It asks religious Americans to surrender a core belief -- not only Leviticus (disapproval of gay sexual acts), but Genesis (the idea that God himself made man as male and female and commanded men and women to come together in a special way to image the fruitfulness of God)."<br /><br />Obviously lives up to the tagline of your blog, Ron. ;-)Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.com