tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post3496955033839211285..comments2024-03-28T12:16:12.797-07:00Comments on Inductivist: How are IQ and creativity related?Ron Guhnamehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06421460508647618774noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-70157469722447063402011-02-17T13:43:08.104-08:002011-02-17T13:43:08.104-08:00I would say a third measurement of creativity woul...I would say a third measurement of creativity would be the general rate of technological innovation that is not directly measured by the number of patents issued. <br /><br />In any case, creativity and IQ clearly correlate.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-67399528849786878312011-02-17T13:41:32.296-08:002011-02-17T13:41:32.296-08:00It depends on how you define creativity. Two usefu...It depends on how you define creativity. Two useful metrics come to mind. One is the number of noble prizes won. Another is the number of patents awarded. Both of these metrics obviously correlate with IQ.kurt9https://www.blogger.com/profile/02101147267959016924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-30093332252674494082011-02-15T03:23:54.497-08:002011-02-15T03:23:54.497-08:00Hey, for both of you guys: any idea what to do abo...Hey, for both of you guys: any idea what to do about the correlation of Openness with political liberalism? It's not good for right-wing nerds. ;)SFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-6389771858221193782011-02-13T14:45:53.318-08:002011-02-13T14:45:53.318-08:00Dr. Charlton: Fixed the spelling. I suspect that I...Dr. Charlton: Fixed the spelling. I suspect that IQ is inversely related to quantitative blogging!Ron Guhnamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421460508647618774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-64420043437908224792011-02-13T12:15:33.361-08:002011-02-13T12:15:33.361-08:00The name's Charlton (as in Heston) not Carlton...The name's Charlton (as in Heston) not Carlton...!<br /><br />The prediction of an inverse correlation referred-to between-population effects, primarily (e.g. the differences between !Kung San and Bantu and North Africans and Europeans and East Asians).<br /><br />I'm not sure how these tests of creativity are related to the assumed underlying cognitive processes which underlie actual creative achievement - most creativity tests look at things such as how many alternative uses can be suggested for an object. <br /><br />It is probably possible to 'fake' high creativity using high IQ, by means of g-loaded factors such as greater general knowledge and permutating and recombining remembered information. <br /><br />Also, doing correlations on college students is actually controlling-for things like intelligence and conscientiousness and aggression: compared with the general population the range sampled is very narrow, and this can reverse the direction of an association which can be seen in a general population sample, or when comparing populations. <br /><br />For example: <br /><br />1. In undergraduate samples from a single university, IQ and conscientiousness are inversely correlated (work of Adrian Furnham) - because educational level is controlled, and students with the same educational achievement can reach this by higher IQ with lower C (bright but lazy), higher C and lower IQ (hard working but dull) or moderate IQ and moderate C. <br /><br />2. Yet when educational level is not controlled and a wider sample of educational attainment is looked-at in a single nation there is usually no correlation between IQ and C. <br /><br />3. However, if IQ and C could be measured between nations (and there isn't yet a way of formally measuring C between cultures; at least not by self-rating personality questionnaire) - I would expect to find IQ and C strongly positively correlated (due to 'civilization' having selected-for both). <br /><br />So we (probably) have an 1. inverse correlation, 2. no correlation or 3. a positive correlation between the same two variables - according to the sample studied. <br /><br />* <br /><br />But 'true' creativity of the type envisaged by Eysenck (from whom I draw these ideas - his book Genius was very convincing to me, in its core argument) is a spontaneous process of seeing relationships and associations in the same kind of way that that these arise in dreams - one thing reminding of another, despite non-obvious relationships. <br /><br />Eysenck noticed that creativity was associated with what he terms high Psychoticism = high creativity, low 'agreeableness/ empathy and also low C.<br /><br />Obviously, a genius needs at least moderate C to achieve anything, and this is a reason why genius is so rare - it is a rare combination. <br /><br />But agreeableness is anti-genius, becuase agreeable people don't like to rock the boat and be selfish, they are not 'arrogant' enough to believe they are right when others diagree - but they tend to be submissive, do what they are told, what is socially valued...Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.com