tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post1135687885567584340..comments2024-03-28T12:16:12.797-07:00Comments on Inductivist: Are Jews more likely to see themselves as "world citizens"?Ron Guhnamehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06421460508647618774noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-45134262539072829162010-11-05T21:56:02.798-07:002010-11-05T21:56:02.798-07:00fioricet overdosecodine fioricet
If the midnight ...fioricet overdosecodine fioricet <br />If the midnight has shorter silver individuals, the area should damage less numerous colones with shorter city structures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-48515813217988409402010-11-02T14:03:13.552-07:002010-11-02T14:03:13.552-07:00"Probably because high-IQ people are more lik..."Probably because high-IQ people are more likely to have transcendental, can't-we-all-just-get-along values" <br /><br />While I hear many people assert this, I don't quite understand the logic. For example, Kanazawa reasons that liberals are more universal, because liberal tend to have higher IQs, and higher IQ people can better think in evolutionarily novel ways, one way being post-tribalism.<br /><br />That seems to be what Eduard is suggesting -- and on the face of it, it makes sense-- except that there is nothing evolutionarily novel about the egalitarian, "can't we all just get along" sentiment. Clearly, there is a lack of novelty in not transcending this sentiment and being indifferent to getting along.<br /><br />A priori -- If one starts with tribal-egalitarianism as the starting point -- one could "transcend" in two ways: to non-tribal or universal egalitarianism OR to non-egalitarian or elitist tribalism. (Politically, socialism or fascism). And then if one keeps transcending, one moves to non-tribal, non-egalitarianism -- which would be radical individualism, unless the sentiment of self-interest was transcended. The latter case would be some type of nihilism. <br /><br />My point would be that while higher IQ people might be able to exert more control over-themselves, there is nothing that specifies a direction. It is interesting that more high IQ people tend to be "can't-we-all-just-get-alongers" instead of ruthless bastards -- but this must be due to (social) selection, not some type of Moral-IQ development.Chucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-8410005588228792262010-10-26T14:21:41.469-07:002010-10-26T14:21:41.469-07:00To switch gears,
Is Canada really less "worl...To switch gears, <br />Is Canada really less "worldly" than Argentina, Australia, and the USA? <br /><br /><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OqiKkTj5eBg/TMQylrJcETI/AAAAAAAABHI/XbitOm6itXQ/s1600/world.gif" rel="nofollow">The OP graphic</a> implies this is so. Which doesn't seem plausible at all. Let's see:<br /><br />_______________________________<br />CANADA, 2006<br />Proposition: <i>"I see myself as a world citizen"</i> [Same source as cited for the USA above, i.e. Question-V210]:<br /><br /><b>All Canadians</b> [+0.965] (sample size: 2,164)<br />28.7% Strongly Agree<br />55.0% Agree<br />11.9% Disagree<br /> 2.0% Strongly Disagree<br /><br /><b>Protestants</b> [+0.918]<br />28.6% Strongly Agree<br />53.5% Agree<br />10.7% Disagree<br /> 4.1% Strongly Disagree<br /><br /><b>Catholics</b> [+1.314]<br />31.3% Strongly Agree<br />54.0% Agree<br />11.1% Disagree<br /> 1.8% Strongly Disagree<br /><br /><b>Jews</b> [+0.604]<br />20.3% Strongly Agree<br />49.7% Agree<br />29.9% Disagree<br />0% Strongly Disagree<br />___________________________<br /><br />Conclusion: The idea that Canadians have a weaker sense of being "citizens of the world" is confirmed as being absurd. Their weighted-score is far higher than the USA's, i.e. far more solidly in "Agree" territory.<br /><br />Conclusion: In Canada, Jews are less likely to identify as "citizens of the world" than other groups. The same as the finding for the USA.Wandererhttp://img517.imageshack.us/img517/280/growthideologywp7.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-53579206609554444982010-10-26T14:10:45.713-07:002010-10-26T14:10:45.713-07:00I'd also point out the small sample sizes bein...I'd also point out the small sample sizes being used. <br /><br />Of the 47 countries with recorded answers for Question-V210 (see above) and the religion of respondents recorded, only four countries had Jewish sample sizes above 10: The USA (14), Canada (12), India (12), and Mali (11).Wandererhttp://img517.imageshack.us/img517/280/growthideologywp7.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-46011069441571518382010-10-26T13:30:39.869-07:002010-10-26T13:30:39.869-07:00Jews (sample size: 14)
In a true random cross-sec...<i>Jews (sample size: 14)</i><br /><br />In a true random cross-section of 1,249 people in the 2006-USA, there should be at least 30 "ethnic Jews". Only 14 are listed as having been surveyed here. It's likely that around 30 ethnic-Jews were surveyed, but around half answered they were atheists or "no religion".<br /><br />A very likely effect being seen here, then, is that the more-religious half of Jews is much less "worldly" than the secular wing of ethnic-Jewry. But we already knew that.Wandererhttp://img517.imageshack.us/img517/280/growthideologywp7.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-43403824985460618742010-10-26T13:21:59.644-07:002010-10-26T13:21:59.644-07:00I found a different wording of the question. From ...I found a different wording of the question. From the same data-set you provide. It shows Jews are substantially <i>less</i> likely to "see themselves as world citizens" than white-Americans.<br /><br />________________________<br />Survey Year: 2006<br />Proposition: "I see myself as a world citizen."<br /><br /><b>Total USA residents</b> [Average: +0.492] (sample size: 1,249) <br />19.5% Strongly Agree<br />45.3% Agree<br />24.3% Disagree<br /> 5.4% Strongly Disagree<br /><br /><b>Jews</b> [-.106] (sample size: 14) <br />7.2% Strongly Agree<br />37.5% Agree<br />48.1% Disagree<br />7.2% Strongly Disagree<br /><br /><b>Protestants</b> [+0.487] (sample size: 392)<br />17.4% Strongly Agree<br />51.1% Agree<br />25.2% Disagree<br />6.0% Strongly Disagree<br /><br />[Note: "Average" bracketed numbers are weighted-averages, as follows:<br />Strong-Agree equals 2, <br />Agree equals 1, <br />Disagree equals -1, <br />Strong-Disagree equals -2.]<br /><br />[Note: Invalid answers of "IDK"/No-Answer accounted for 5.4% of total responses]<br /><br />[Note: I found this information by going to <a href="http://www.wvsevsdb.com/wvs/WVSAnalizeStudy.jsp" rel="nofollow">World Values Survey raw data archive</a> --> WVS 2005-2008 --> check box for USA --> Confirm Selection --> Ctrl-F search for "(V210) I see myself as a world citizen" and click --> Cross-Tabs --> Set Cross-Variable-1 as "Country" --> Set Cross-Variable-2 as "Respondent's Religion" --> Adjust 'Operations' dropbox to show "I Dont Know" responses or not.]Wandererhttp://img517.imageshack.us/img517/280/growthideologywp7.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-83568966050671839732010-10-25T17:31:50.265-07:002010-10-25T17:31:50.265-07:00France is the only European country listed. It wou...France is the only European country listed. It would be interesting to see that numbers for other European countries, in light of the European Union. I understand that people in Europe are strongly encouraged these days not to see themselves as Irish or German or Dutch, but as Europeans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-73506643040529104792010-10-25T16:24:07.640-07:002010-10-25T16:24:07.640-07:00Not big differences, except in France.
I'm n...Not big differences, except in France. <br /><br />I'm not sure why that is. Perhaps a larger fraction of French Jews are non-Ashkenazi (e.g., from Algeria and the like).Steve Sailerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920109042402850214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-30834125076431624802010-10-25T14:42:10.753-07:002010-10-25T14:42:10.753-07:00I think a fair number of Ashkenazim know enough to...I think a fair number of Ashkenazim know enough to know that Belloc wasn't the only one to point that out, and also know that it wasn't good for the Jews. <br /><br />Questions about impacts of Jews on mass immigration, or opinions on race, are familiar ones in the altrightosphere. But I don't think many Jews or Gentiles are acquainted with the fact that such questions are being pondered in any way by any serious people. In contrast many Jews probably do recognize at least vaguely that their internationalness was once a major liability in mainstream political discussions about them. Hence they know which answer is good for the Jews and which is bad.Rob S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-63413008835705571182010-10-24T17:46:31.833-07:002010-10-24T17:46:31.833-07:00Surprising how many Americans agree.Surprising how many Americans agree.TGGPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017651009634767649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-42565857104927210762010-10-24T14:13:19.966-07:002010-10-24T14:13:19.966-07:00"What do Israelis say when asked this questio..."What do Israelis say when asked this question?"<br /><br />They weren't asked.Ron Guhnamehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421460508647618774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-10598731929601950422010-10-24T13:09:18.241-07:002010-10-24T13:09:18.241-07:00eduard,
Could be.
It could be also be that Jews ...eduard,<br /><br />Could be.<br /><br />It could be also be that Jews feel closer to other Jews than to the citizens of their host nations, thereby not feeling the special bond, say, Germans feel for Germany. It's pretty clear Jews in Israel, high IQ or not, have less worldly attitudes. (KingM: do you really need a PEW poll to know that Israeli Jews have different attitudes than diaspora Jews?)<br /><br />I'm not dissing Jews btw, just, more or less, repeating what Hilaire Belloc has to say on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-55587295604797276472010-10-24T09:06:17.925-07:002010-10-24T09:06:17.925-07:00What do Israelis say when asked this question?What do Israelis say when asked this question?Michael Carr - Veritas Literaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04017030835398885411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26188478.post-39890760210697446062010-10-24T08:28:47.682-07:002010-10-24T08:28:47.682-07:00Probably because high-IQ people are more likely to...Probably because high-IQ people are more likely to have transcendental, can't-we-all-just-get-along values, although you wouldn't see that if you equated Jews (as too many people do) with the more tribal and rancorous (and perhaps lower-IQ?) Jews who dominate Israeli politics.eduardnoreply@blogger.com